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James Maliszewski wrote:Ultimately, I think it's this desperate desire to be all things to all gamers that will be 5e's undoing. The notion that "the core" of D&D lies in things like armor class or hit points or even six ability scores is woefully reductionist. It's focusing on the wrong elements of D&D's lasting appeal. As a design principle, it's flawed and will result in a least common denominator game no one will embrace, regardless of what edition they play.
I can see how they can do it for 0e to 3.5. The base game will likely be related in feel to older D&D the same way Castles and Crusade is AD&D. Older materials will work fine with it but it won't be the same as playing the original.

The problem is 4e. The two ways I see working are a separate book offering a different set of classes built with powers in mind and designed to work together in the different 4e roles. Or that 5e actually uses 4e core rules but with new classes that work like the originals. Along with a set of monsters and items that work like older editions. Remember that 4e is a exception based system. So it would be straight forward to use the Core mechanics to create a whole new game that works with older edition material. Existing 4e characters would highly overpowered.

But the statements that advanced characters built with options will work with base characters has caused me to doubt this theory.

Right now there are so many ways that one could attempt to design these goals that I am resigned to wait for the play test to begin before judging.

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This just popped up in my news: http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources ... _en_US.pdf
Dungeons & Dragons
First Edition Premium RPGs
On Sale April 17, 2012
Premium Reprints of the Original AD&DTM Rulebooks!
Whaaaa?

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deathanddrek wrote:This just popped up in my news: http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources ... _en_US.pdf
Dungeons & Dragons
First Edition Premium RPGs
On Sale April 17, 2012
Premium Reprints of the Original AD&DTM Rulebooks!
Whaaaa?
Fuck! Yeah! Unless the cover art is just total and complete ass (which, admittedly, is about 80% likely) I will totally buy these, even though I already have multiple copies of each with presumably sturdier binding. Giving proceeds to the Gygax Memorial Fund is classy. Making it a limited-time release and only through hobby stores (so, presumably, no Barnes & Noble) sucks, but maybe it'll sell so well that they'll change their mind :)

EDIT: also, they've got the page-counts for the PH & MM switched (presumably, although I suppose we could entertain conspiracy theories that they've adulterated the content - cutting material from the PH & adding dubious new content to the MM... ;))
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I'm definitely snagging copies!

I agree - if they sell like mad, surely it will only help the case that the game should be in print! Very nice...it would be even nicer if there was even just a teensy bit of marketing to go along with it~!
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A new thread popped up. Should move discussion there.

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Ha! I wonder if it will have the new logo on the front?
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Matthew wrote:Ha! I wonder if it will have the new logo on the front?
Wouldn't it be great if they managed to get Tramp back for the cover. Stranger things have happened...I have no idea what, but they must have.
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A lot of fans of previous editions are showing up on the WotC boards dedicated to 5e.

It's nice to see gamers defending things like Save or Die and Vancian Casting, on those boards.

Granted, there's a lot of arguing going on. :lol:
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geezerdm wrote:A lot of fans of previous editions are showing up on the WotC boards dedicated to 5e.

It's nice to see gamers defending things like Save or Die and Vancian Casting, on those boards.

Granted, there's a lot of arguing going on. :lol:
Do you have a link. Would like to see that. PS, nice avatar. :wink:
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AxeMental wrote:
geezerdm wrote:A lot of fans of previous editions are showing up on the WotC boards dedicated to 5e.

It's nice to see gamers defending things like Save or Die and Vancian Casting, on those boards.

Granted, there's a lot of arguing going on. :lol:
Do you have a link. Would like to see that. PS, nice avatar. :wink:
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geezerdm wrote:
AxeMental wrote:
geezerdm wrote:A lot of fans of previous editions are showing up on the WotC boards dedicated to 5e.

It's nice to see gamers defending things like Save or Die and Vancian Casting, on those boards.

Granted, there's a lot of arguing going on. :lol:
Do you have a link. Would like to see that. PS, nice avatar. :wink:
One of my favorite movies. :D

http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/v ... e_releases

Bring your hip-waders, though.
My eyes have been burnt out of my skull (toxic...very toxic). Your a braver man then I geezerdm.

I never made it to anyone really offering support to 1Eisms I don't see how these 4Eers are going to support anything 1Eish and visa versa. WOTC needs new artists for 5E and a new art direction for starters. Its going to be a tight rope walk, and everyone is going to get burned.
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AxeMental wrote:
geezer wrote: http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/v ... e_releases

Bring your hip-waders, though.
My eyes have been burnt out of my skull (toxic...very toxic). Your a braver man then I geezerdm.
My patience is too thin to read those forums..
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I posted in one of the threads to give a shout out to WotC for reprinting the original books.
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Matthew wrote:I posted in one of the threads to give a shout out to WotC for reprinting the original books.
Yeah, that's worthwhile.

Defending AD&D/save or die/etc... isn't worth it, however.

AD&D needs no defending. None of the 3e/4e diehards would have those editions if AD&D didn't capitalize TSR to the point where it survived as long as it did, despite rampant mismanagement.

All newer versions of the game (and many other TRPGs, CRPGs, MMOs, and hunks of pop culture) stand in AD&D's shadow, whether the newbs realize it or not.

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