Knights & Knaves Alehouse

Vile wrote:Yep, she is good. That's why she is currently working on my Known World map for BLUEHOLME™. She's mostly on Facebook now so I don't know if her maps there are linkable, but I'll try <snip>

Whoa. Nice. Big!

Is that top one from your Known World for Blueholme, then? Is it based on your own design, or her own creation, or is it based off of something done before?

Is that bottom one used in anything, or is that just for demonstration? I like that one of the towns looks like a skull and the other looks like a face.

Its late & I'm asking questions like a kindergärtner. I ain't drunk, just really tired.

EDIT: I realise I'm going off on a huge tangent here, maybe it would be better to split the "Alyssa Faden Cartography" part off into its own thread ...

If you click the link in my post you'll see, but basically I sent the following Photo-Chop to Alyssa as a guide:


If you think that looks familiar, it's because it came from this:


Alyssa does all kinds of maps, but this type of thing is what sold me:

Bad sign when you don't post on your own Kickstarter for days, answer backer questions or put out one update in over a week. Not surprising but i did expect at least a tiny bit more professional KS than, "I leave this here, put money in it, bye"

Maybe the "trolls" are deterring Frank's involvement lol. "My Kickstarter is overrun with trolls so all updates will be elsewhere like Piazza or Facebook."

Oh wait I know like this dragonfoot post:

We'd like to answer your questions,
but here the trolls run free
and we receive no management support.

Look to other OSR sites (or Facebook or our websites) for news about Empyrea.

Goodbye.

Kicktraq is pretty hilarious. Trending goes down by 30k a day, projection by 5k a day. Last two days earned a whole 220-280 dollars each.

EOTB wrote: 42 of them (~7%) are either car wreck rubberneckers, are willing to tip a buck to get their names on a website, or possibly expect to have money in the fulfillment phase they won't have before the KS close.

This still makes me chuckle. I am definitely one of those rubberneckers. It's almost painfully silent, though. Like watching a train wreck in space where no one can hear you scream.

I don't understand why F does not post updates to the actual KS campaign - however I see he is updating other forums (like Acaeum). This reeks of an amateur KS campaign for someone who has "been in the business" for years. Very poorly ran so far.

Vile wrote:If you think that looks familiar, it's because it came from this:

Aha! I thought I recognized those skinny mountain ranges in the upper left!

But this is good. This is a deviation of the norm, an expansion of an idea, and not a blatant rip-off.

...And Alyssa's mapwork is terrific!

BTW, that bottom map is exactly what I need for tonight's D&D game. I'mma borrow that!

Mike D. wrote:I don't understand why F does not post updates to the actual KS campaign - however I see he is updating other forums (like Acaeum). This reeks of an amateur KS campaign for someone who has "been in the business" for years. Very poorly ran so far.

Lol flashback Wednesday.

I got skepticism instead. Guess you folks aren't used to Pro ops, too many amateur Kickstarters spoiling the broth. A shame. More of a shame that you then project those failures onto the industry itself, and onto me and my team.

That's right, this is PRO OPS.

The silver lining of the day...

At least Vile is getting some cool maps done for his project.

He just had an interview on an RPG youtube show with 44K subscribers - should be a good yardstick for how much life can be jolted out of the current flatline.

Alyssa Faden is a great cartographer, and of course so is Darlene. I'm not so sure either of those ladies can make a silk purse out of this particular sow's ear.

Add Anna Meyer into the mix, and there is a pretty solid cartography team. Of course, if the content is shit cartography alone won't carry it.

- Wheggi

RandomEncounter wrote:

Mike D. wrote:I don't understand why F does not post updates to the actual KS campaign - however I see he is updating other forums (like Acaeum). This reeks of an amateur KS campaign for someone who has "been in the business" for years. Very poorly ran so far.

Lol flashback Wednesday.

I got skepticism instead. Guess you folks aren't used to Pro ops, too many amateur Kickstarters spoiling the broth. A shame. More of a shame that you then project those failures onto the industry itself, and onto me and my team.

That's right, this is PRO OPS.

That's right. When sitting on your ass and not even lifting a finger to make your art happen, and no one buys your line of shit, blame the fans. That's the lesson learned from Comics, and its finally coming 'round to RPGs.

Alan Moore wrote:It's not the job of the artist to give the audience what the audience wants. If the audience knew what they needed, then they wouldn't be the audience. They would be the artists. It is the job of the artists to give the audience what they need.

Blackadder23 wrote:Alyssa Faden is a great cartographer, and of course so is Darlene. I'm not so sure either of those ladies can make a silk purse out of this particular sow's ear.

Anna Meyer is apparently on board as well (I only know because she mentioned it in the Flanaess FB group). I think your comment still applies here. She does great work and I think she'll get more out of working with Darlene in some way than with FM.

and of course Wheggi beat me to this!