Knights & Knaves Alehouse

DungeonDork wrote: You know the one thing that pissed me off the most about it?
The race announcer that talked like someone impersonating Rich Little impersonating Howard Cosell.
That totally cemented that it was shitty movie, for me.

francisca wrote:

DungeonDork wrote: You know the one thing that pissed me off the most about it?
The race announcer that talked like someone impersonating Rich Little impersonating Howard Cosell.
That totally cemented that it was shitty movie, for me.

Feexed for me.

DungeonDork wrote:

rogatny wrote:Been thinking about Phantom Menace lately. And the more I think about it, the more pissed off I get.

You know the one thing that pissed me off the most about it?
The race announcer that talked like Howard Cosell.
That totally broke the fourth wall for me.

rogatny wrote:Been thinking about Phantom Menace lately.

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So what the Hell is he having Darth Maul doing for him all movie? </good content snipped>
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I mean, this is basic film-making stuff. </good content snipped>

Stormcrow wrote:Without The Phantom Menace you wouldn't have Mr. Plinkett's review of The Phantom Menace.

rogatny wrote:Been thinking about Phantom Menace lately. And the more I think about it, the more pissed off I get.

The Jedi are sent to negotiate an end to a trade dispute between the Federation and Naboo. What's the dispute? It has something to do with taxes. Is someone not paying their taxes? The Federation is blockading Naboo. Are they keeping goods from coming in or from leaving?

I mean, we learn that the Naboo crises was all set up by Palpatine to further his plans, but as the ostensible main villains of the movie, we have absolutely no idea what the motivations of the Federation are. Why are they doing what they're doing? What are the stakes?

Compare it to the first movie. What's the first thing we see? Big ass ship chasing down a much littler ship. They're after the stolen plans. Where are the plans? The entire movie flows from the first scene. Then we get a dramatic illustration of the stakes when they blow up Alderan. Ok, now we're invested. Get these plans to the rebels so we can blow that horrible thing up. You can do it, Luke!

Ok. Back to Palpatine and his scheme. His plan is to 1. Incite a no confidence vote in the current chancellor, 2. Engender sympathy for himself due to his home planet being attacked, 3. Get himself installed as the new Chancellor, and 4 begin a galaxy-wide civil war. All fine and good. Once the invasion of Naboo begins, his plan is set in motion.

So what the Hell is he having Darth Maul doing for him all movie? He has Maul directly working against his plan in trying to keep the Queen and party from getting to Corsucant from Tatooine. It's the Queen's plea to the Senate that gets the no confidence vote done in the Senate. Then, after he's been appointed Chancellor, Palpatine has Maul trying to help the invasion of Naboo succeed. What's the point? Palpatine is already Chancellor. The war has already begun. What is his motivation here?

More to the point, why does Palpatine use Maul at all. All Maul serves to do is to alert the Jedi that there's more going on here than a trade dispute. It makes no sense.

I mean, this is basic film-making stuff. What are the motivations of the main characters? They simply aren't clear. Everything they do, they do because they have to do it in order to set up the original three movies. We don't learn anything new, that we couldn't have at least surmised from the original movies.

AxeMental wrote:Sheesh! Gotta say, not excited upon reading this. Wish I had an attitude more like Wheggi, but alas I hate bad muddled convoluted plots. And if there's some idiotic racial politics attached to it...fuck...looks like a "wait and see" from trusted sources.

Stormcrow wrote:Without The Phantom Menace you wouldn't have Mr. Plinkett's review of The Phantom Menace.