Illusionists and 1st level M-U spells

[Nerelas]

I suspect this has been brought up before, but... When an illusionist (at 14th lvl) gains access to 1st level magic-user spells, do they gain (i.e., know) four when they take this "spell" (read magic, obviously, plus 3 others, just like a starting m-u as in DMG), and ALSO gain the ability to memorize 4 1st level m-u spells/day as a one 7th level illusionist spell, or just the former? I've never been entirely clear on this.

[T. Foster]

Here's the last time we discussed this:

http://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/view ... f=8&t=9007

[Nerelas]

Here's the last time we discussed this:

http://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/view ... f=8&t=9007

Thanks. Unfortunately, I'm none the wiser after reading it . I'll just keep doin' like I have been.

[T. Foster]

Yeah, that's why I pointed to the old thread. If we'd all agreed on a single conclusion I would've just posted what that conclusion was