Are you claiming it was … ghostwritten?bobjester wrote:Y'know....That private message read just like it was from kewlmarine
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Kewlmarine's certainly had a lot to say on Tenkar's Tavern about how evil Dragonsfoot is. Mind you, the comments section of the Tavern is like a who's who of people we've banned for bloody good reasons.
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Not much to add that others haven’t said. I met Frank at one of the LGGCs, while Gary was still alive. Frank ran AD&D (the only game he ever ran, he said—that seemed kind of humble). Honestly, his game session was nothing to write home about, but, that was okay. In those days it felt like we were Gary’s crew, and it seemed like he was one of the guys. Was it a façade? It was very different from the present Prince—megalomaniacal, boastful, threatening, too good for the old school movement and the communities that birthed it, furious when questioned. I haven’t head of any negative interactions like this from before Gary’s death, but I could be missing something.
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He is still active? Which account is he posting under?PapersAndPaychecks wrote:Kewlmarine's certainly had a lot to say on Tenkar's Tavern about how evil Dragonsfoot is. Mind you, the comments section of the Tavern is like a who's who of people we've banned for bloody good reasons.
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He's not active on DF. Or here.Melan wrote:He is still active? Which account is he posting under?
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Thanks. Looking at his comments at Tenkar's, I should have recognised him by his posting style. Definitely the same fellow!PapersAndPaychecks wrote:He's not active on DF. Or here.Melan wrote:He is still active? Which account is he posting under?Real name is William Z. Cohen.
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So apparently this is was posted on Tenkar's Tavern after the PM image started circulating:

Link to post here: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/th ... anned.html
Link to post here: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/th ... anned.html
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Desperation has an ugly smell.Cloak n' Dagger wrote:So apparently this is was posted on Tenkar's Tavern after the PM image started circulating:
Link to post here: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/th ... anned.html
Maybe his dog hacked his account. The same dog that ate his homework when he was a kid.
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I suppose, at 40 years of age, I shouldn't be surprised or shocked by what I've read today, but I am. I guess it's because I've met Frank. He was super nice to me.
I knew there was bad blood between Frank and EOTB, but this is . . . disheartening.
I knew there was bad blood between Frank and EOTB, but this is . . . disheartening.
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That reminds me of the guy who was caught downloading CP and (in all seriousness) claimed it must have happened accidentally when his cat walked on his keyboard.TRP wrote:Desperation has an ugly smell.Cloak n' Dagger wrote:So apparently this is was posted on Tenkar's Tavern after the PM image started circulating:
Link to post here: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/th ... anned.html
Maybe his dog hacked his account. The same dog that ate his homework when he was a kid.
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The really baffling thing to me is that people are still claiming that EOTB is a troll and DF is a cesspool. I’ve seen trollings and cesspools; this is nothing—



If anyone has the “conversation … in 50 pt font” that EOTB was talking about (I presume that was from before Frank edited his message), could you post it or PM it to me?



If anyone has the “conversation … in 50 pt font” that EOTB was talking about (I presume that was from before Frank edited his message), could you post it or PM it to me?
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Okay, apparently this was in the original September 8 post:
ExTSR wrote:EoTB, for the Last Time:
You have had a negative slant, implication, or statement about everything I have posted for 2 years. Go away.
imnsho you are a primary reason why Dragonsfoot is a comparative backwater in tabletop gaming. Go away.
You are one of the reasons why Major Authors & Artists won't set foot in here. Go Away.
You are definitely one of the reasons why Dragonsfoot is not on the PR list for Empyrea coverage. Go away.
You are a primary reason why I'm not a regular here. Go away.
and you are a troll. You are on my Ignore list. Go away.
The Empyrea team will ignore all YOUR questions and respond to all intelligent ones instead.
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Heh...the original PM reads like a couple of one-sided, industry insider, conversations I've had over the years. One was with Bill Webb, and the others were with Rob Kuntz. In none of the cases, though, was the venom directed at me personally.
But suffice It to say that Frank doesn't have a monopoly on venom or harsh language!
But suffice It to say that Frank doesn't have a monopoly on venom or harsh language!
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Heh. I seriously doubt he was hacked.
Maybe he accidentally wrote his password down and threw it in the trash and somebody pulled it out of the dumpster.
Maybe he accidentally wrote his password down and threw it in the trash and somebody pulled it out of the dumpster.
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Fucking Dork! I was drinking coffee when I read that! Now I've gotta clean all this up.
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Stephen Colbert: “What would you do, when coming up with your character you roll six rolls of three six-sided dice to come up with your character”
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Stephen Colbert: “Really? That’s for children!”