STAR TREK **MAJOR SPOILERS**

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:10 pm

Flambeaux wrote:De gustibus and all that.

Or ... as my pappy always put it: son, that's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors ...

geneweigel · Post by **geneweigel** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:32 pm

Ferrell is hard to swallow sometimes but its misleading how one moment he is right on the heart of something truly funny and the next moment seemingly lost for all time. That said TALLADEGA and STEPBROTHERS are good films for his good moments but there are some shabby moments.

I watched SB one afternoon and got hammered with my buddy. We laughed like crazy. The next time, a few weeks later, when my wife heard about what a good time we had watching it from his wife, well, you could have heard a pin drop. Her response soured me out so much that I wasn't even laughing anymore. A bunch of guys came over again and it happened to be in the dvd player when somebody was fucking around with it and we all started laughing at it.

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:38 pm

geneweigel wrote:Ferrell is hard to swallow sometimes but its misleading how one moment he is right on the heart of something truly funny and the next moment seemingly lost for all time. That said TALLADEGA and STEPBROTHERS are good films for his good moments but there are some shabby moments.

"Talladega" was showing free on Encore a month or two ago ... even for free I couldn't watch it, after 5 boring minutes I turned it off. Of course, as "Star Trek" showed us (OOTC*), humor is like beauty ... and is in the eye of the beholder.

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JRR · Post by **JRR** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:04 pm

Semaj Khan wrote:
Piper wrote:
Flambeaux wrote:Actually, Will Ferrell as a black woman has comic potential that must be explored.
Will Ferrell and comedy in the same sentence does not compute.
QFT.

I wholeheartedly agree. Will Ferrell must die.

geneweigel · Post by **geneweigel** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:08 pm

Piper wrote:
geneweigel wrote:Ferrell is hard to swallow sometimes but its misleading how one moment he is right on the heart of something truly funny and the next moment seemingly lost for all time. That said TALLADEGA and STEPBROTHERS are good films for his good moments but there are some shabby moments.
"Talladega" was showing free on Encore a month or two ago ... even for free I couldn't watch it, after 5 boring minutes I turned it off. Of course, as "Star Trek" showed us (OOTC*), humor is like beauty ... and is in the eye of the beholder.

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I was a Will Ferrell hater too once until I joined the club.

You are not one with the fancy sauce!

T. Foster · Post by **T. Foster** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:19 pm

Will Ferrell's movies are mostly lame, but this sketch from his SNL days continues to crack my shit up

(P.S. haven't seen "Star Trek")

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:23 pm

geneweigel wrote:I was a Will Ferrell hater too once until I joined the club.

I don't hate him, I just don't dig his humor.

JRR · Post by **JRR** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:32 pm

Yeah, I don't find any of his antics funny at all - with one exception. The SNL jeopardy skits are hilarious.

JCBoney · Post by **JCBoney** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:39 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khrpy4V0 ... re=related

geneweigel · Post by **geneweigel** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:49 pm

His humor is fine but you just probably happened to catch him on off days its just when he's crippled with bad content (SNL's tendency to appeal to mediocrity) or bland co-stars (Queen Latifah, etc) he just loses it.

Honestly? Ferrell's flute scene in ANCHORMAN almost made me cry blood I was laughing so hard.

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:55 am

geneweigel wrote:His humor is fine but you just probably happened to catch him on off days its just when he's crippled with bad content (SNL's tendency to appeal to mediocrity) or bland co-stars (Queen Latifah, etc) he just loses it.

Perhaps. I won't say he has never done anything I've enjoyed, but I think it says a lot that I won't even watch his films when they are showing on the cable movie channels.

Thoth Amon · Post by **Thoth Amon** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:33 am

Piper wrote:
geneweigel wrote:His humor is fine but you just probably happened to catch him on off days its just when he's crippled with bad content (SNL's tendency to appeal to mediocrity) or bland co-stars (Queen Latifah, etc) he just loses it.
Perhaps. I won't say he has never done anything I've enjoyed, but I think it says a lot that I won't even watch his films when they are showing on the cable movie channels.

I don't have cable (or an antenna) but I surely won't watch his stuff on video. I have not seen SNL in probably 15 years so if I saw him previously, I don't remember. The few movies I've seen with him bored me to tears so, like Piper, I won't even watch a movie with him in it, now.

AxeMental · Post by **AxeMental** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:06 am

Falconer wrote:Saw it tonight with the wife. We thought it was lame. All special-effects action. None of the heart of the original. McCoy was lost in the crowd of half-baked characters. The ship was too large (you could never see the entire bridge, for example) so it was impossible to feel like you were there with them as part of the crew, which was a lot of the fun of the original. The feel was cleanly opposite of the “the adults are in charge” feel of the old Kirk and Spock and McCoy and Scotty, and everything happened by coincidence instead of by naval discipline. Spock was moody/angsty/emo the whole movie, so there was no dramatic payoff when his emotional dam completely burst, or when Sarek talked about love, etc.

I dunno, maybe sequels will be okay since they won’t be under such pressure to deliver a no-stops “epic” spectacle, if it’s part of a series.

Falconer, I agree with every point you bring up (except perhaps the "all-action, special effects" comment, what the hells wrong with special effects and action).

When I say its good, its in the context of all the Trek thats been made over time (particularly in contrast to the TNG movies). If you comparing it to ONLY the original show, sure the original blows this out of the water IMHO.

Flambeaux · Post by **Flambeaux** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:44 am

Piper wrote:
geneweigel wrote:His humor is fine but you just probably happened to catch him on off days its just when he's crippled with bad content (SNL's tendency to appeal to mediocrity) or bland co-stars (Queen Latifah, etc) he just loses it.
Perhaps. I won't say he has never done anything I've enjoyed, but I think it says a lot that I won't even watch his films when they are showing on the cable movie channels.

I prefer his humor in films where he's not main character. I enjoyed him in The Producers and his turn as Mugatu in Zoolander was, IMO, brilliant and funny.

While I enjoyed Talladega Nights, I don't know that I ever need to watch it again.

I think he's best in bit parts, cameos, and supporting characters.

And now I'll walk away from this threadjack and let y'all get back to talking about the new Star Trek movie which I haven't seen.

Post by **Falconer** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:29 pm

AxeMental wrote:Falconer, I agree with every point you bring up (except perhaps the "all-action, special effects" comment, what the hells wrong with special effects and action).

When I say its good, its in the context of all the Trek thats been made over time (particularly in contrast to the TNG movies). If you comparing it to ONLY the original show, sure the original blows this out of the water IMHO.

We're on the same page there. However, it is with TOS that the movie itself invites comparison, due to using those characters. It certainly beats TOS in terms of action/effects, but does that trump all? You clearly don't think so and neither do I.

Special-effects action should be icing on the cake, not the whole excuse for the movie. They could have cut out that scene with Scotty shooting through the water tubes, and added one honest-to-goodness Kirk/Spock/McCoy philosophical discussion.

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STAR TREK MAJOR SPOILERS