Knights & Knaves Alehouse

Marriat wrote:

Nothing fancy, 2 .45 slugs to the head and in to Mr Wu's pig pen you go.

Trying to make the punishment fit the crime to offer an expedient answer to the problem of incarceration is apples and oranges. Most criminal behavior is a violence against another's humanity. The question is not about how to be a 'productive citizen'. Humanity strictly measured by the work ethic, that is productivity, is part of the problem. We are more than workers. Freud elegantly pointed this out in his 'Civilization and its Discontents'. The real question is how do we and other's live with the violence inherint in being (for anyone hung up on Freud, this question precedes him). It is a question that implicates all of us. Not one of us is without an edge, everyone's fall is our fall because we are connected by the existence we share together. Prisons, penal codes, and punishments are the exterior of a much deeper reality transcendent of legality and citizenry, one older than civilization.

...As RPG's in prison, fantastic, and fantastic for all the reasons we love 'em on this sight, especially old school!

blackprinceofmuncie wrote:
Unfortunately, those hard cases will use almost anything (including RPGs) to attempt to manipulate and control other people. Like I said, I have nothing against the idea of prisoners playing games in a therapeutic way, and I would even agree that many D&D games that go on in prison are probably fine. I'm just pointing out that there are legitimate concerns that prison administrators have to address when deciding whether to allow games or any activity for that matter.

Banning RPGs because predators might attempt to manipulate and control other people with it is nonsensical. Actual violence works so much better than threats upon Blackleaf's imaginary life. Also the prison system has very limited control of inmate behavior, being mostly relegated to control of movement and physical possessions.

RPG's are all in the imagination. The books, miniatures and dice are all supplementary, and ultimately unnecessary. Human interaction and imagination are all that is needed.

RPG's are all in the imagination. The books, miniatures and dice are all supplementary, and ultimately unnecessary. Human interaction and imagination are all that is needed.

That's the cool thing about chess as well.

You can take someone's board away, but they can always still call their moves back and forth (which is hard to get used to, but awesome when you get the hang of it).

mjollnir wrote:Banning RPGs because predators might attempt to manipulate and control other people with it is nonsensical. Actual violence works so much better than threats upon Blackleaf's imaginary life.

It's because the use of RPGs as a manipulator depends on the imagination and emotions of the person being manipulated (and is thus invisible, unlike physical violence) that administrators have to be concerned about them. In most cases, people being manipulated in prison are being manipulated to commit some crime, like transporting drugs or committing acts of violence at the orders of another prisoner. Anything that increases the likelihood that those types of things might occur has to be taken seriously.

*oops. double post.

Turns out they weren't allowed to have dice either, so they made spinners.
Apparently a deck of playing cards is worth about $25, as well but will also get you in trouble if you get caught with one.

I had a gamer friend who did some time in the joint. They made a spinner out of plastic for D&D. When they were caught with it, they got some hefty punishment for having a "gambling device."

I had a gamer friend who did some time in the joint. They made a spinner out of plastic for D&D. When they were caught with it, they got some hefty punishment for having a "gambling device.

That would just piss me off.

It'd be like I were in high school again.

Random wrote:

I had a gamer friend who did some time in the joint. They made a spinner out of plastic for D&D. When they were caught with it, they got some hefty punishment for having a "gambling device.

That would just piss me off.

It'd be like I were in high school again.

When I worked in corrections, inmates were not allowed dice, but were allowed spinners. There was a small group that played D&D with a spinner that had concentric circles marked for the different dice on it. They got approval from the Rec. Dept. so there was no problem with them playing the game.

Marriat the Ranger wrote:Its real simple you go to prison and if you rape, beat, kill others while there, we kill you. Nothing fancy, 2 .45 slugs to the head and in to Mr Wu's pig pen you go.

That would just result in all beatings becoming beatings to death and all rapes being followed by murder.

JDJarvis wrote:

Marriat the Ranger wrote:Its real simple you go to prison and if you rape, beat, kill others while there, we kill you. Nothing fancy, 2 .45 slugs to the head and in to Mr Wu's pig pen you go.

That would just result in all beatings becoming beatings to death and all rapes being followed by murder.

There would be far less instances of it happening at all.

mjollnir wrote:Actual violence works so much better than threats upon Blackleaf's imaginary life.

Oh yeah? Then why did Marcy hang herself? Huh? Why?



...it was "Marcy,?" right? I don't wanna go back to the Chick site to check it for accuracy.

WSmith wrote:

Random wrote:

I had a gamer friend who did some time in the joint. They made a spinner out of plastic for D&D. When they were caught with it, they got some hefty punishment for having a "gambling device.

That would just piss me off.

It'd be like I were in high school again.

When I worked in corrections, inmates were not allowed dice, but were allowed spinners. There was a small group that played D&D with a spinner that had concentric circles marked for the different dice on it. They got approval from the Rec. Dept. so there was no problem with them playing the game.

Old school baby - no dice, just paper tics in a jar (or cup) with numbers writen on them. That's how da OG (E.G.G.) used to 'roll' back in da day, boi!

Marriat the Ranger wrote:

JDJarvis wrote:

Marriat the Ranger wrote:Its real simple you go to prison and if you rape, beat, kill others while there, we kill you. Nothing fancy, 2 .45 slugs to the head and in to Mr Wu's pig pen you go.

That would just result in all beatings becoming beatings to death and all rapes being followed by murder.

There would be far less instances of it happening at all.

As I ironic as it may be to say on an RPG forum - get real. Tough-guy macho talk is characteristic of people who don't know what they're talking about.

Algolei wrote:

mjollnir wrote:Actual violence works so much better than threats upon Blackleaf's imaginary life.

Oh yeah? Then why did Marcy hang herself? Huh? Why?



...it was "Marcy,?" right? I don't wanna go back to the Chick site to check it for accuracy.

Gary never played using chits. Chits were the cheapskate idea of the Blume Bros. to save production costs and maximize profit on those D&D Basic sets.

mjollnir wrote:
As I ironic as it may be to say on an RPG forum - get real. Tough-guy macho talk is characteristic of people who don't know what they're talking about.

Gentlegamer wrote:Gary never played using chits. Chits were the cheapskate idea of the Blume Bros. to save production costs and maximize profit on those D&D Basic sets.

Irony with a smidge of self pwnage thrown in for good measure. I am king of the morons!