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Memorial AD&D event at GenCon - looking for writers and
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:37 pm
by grodog
From an industry list I'm on:
Keith Baker wrote:Hey all!
There are going to be a number of events at GenCon this year that honor the memory of Gary Gygax. One of these is going to be an ongoing AD&D game, run continuously throughout the convention. The basic concept is "The Tower of Gygax" - a constantly shifting dungeon crafted by the great wizard who taught the gods themselves how to create worlds. This dungeon has no map; instead, it is a mass of rooms, and the DM will randomly select a new room whenever you successfully make it across the room you are in. The goal here is to create an experience that's part Tomb of Horrors and part Killer Breakfast. Players will play in hour-long shifts, and we're scheduling 12 people to a session; the idea is that the mortality rate will be high, people will cycle through the table, and you'll get ribbons to commemorate your achievements whether or not you survive. We want to give people a taste of AD&D, but they don't have to commit a full four hours to it - though if they enjoy it, they can come back again and again.
I'm coordinating the event, but I'd like to have as many people involved as possible; if you have fond memories of AD&D or just want to take a step back in time, I'd love to have you involved. I'm looking for two different things: Room design and DMs.
With room design, the dungeon is going to be a mass of randomly connected rooms; as such, each room is, in a sense, a self-contained adventure, with the challenge to the PCs being to make it out of the room alive. We want rooms to be colorful, challenging, and ideally to include a number of random elements - so even if players compare notes they don't know exactly what to expect. We want rooms to be dangerous enough to cycle through players (think Tomb of Horrors and Grimtooth's Traps) - but at the same time, we want to create an experience that's entertaining as opposed to frustrating. So you may walk into a sphere of annihilation - but is there anything we can do to make that something you can smile at? If you're interested, let me know I'll send you more details (power levels of PCs, etc).
With DMs, the Tower will be run for 80 consecutive hours throughout the convention. While I've got myself and a few other DMs on board to run it, I'd love to have as many "celebrity" DMs as possible take a shift, to make it a more memorable experience for the players. It's an hour commitment; if you're interested, let me know and tell me what times youd be available. Of course, it's not going to be a normal adventure; at any given time, you're going to have six spectators, and part of the challenge is to make things dramatic enough so as to keep the spectators entertained as well as the players. Part of this falls to the room designer, but as DMs we'll need to bring some energy to the table.
In any case, if you are interested in helping as a DM or in designing one or more rooms, please contact me offlist. Thanks for your time.
-Keith Baker
Remember, contact Keith Baker at <SPAMonesmallkeithSPAM@gmailSPAM-DOT-SPAMcom>on this (since I'm not likely to be attending GenCon this year

). I'm sure you can figure out the email address requirements, eh?

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:53 pm
by Marriat the Ranger
Hmmm ....
I haven't checked the list of hosted games at GenCon but why don't they just run several classic modules in honor of Gary? Such as the ones he wrote?
IMO such an event as the one being organized at GenCon only reinforces the stereotypes of AD&D that the 3etards loudly proclaim on a regular basis- "shallow", "just hack and slash", etc. Look at the strange old outdated animal in the cage, quick toss it a bone and lets move on.
If I were honoring Gary I would run a couple of his best modules tourney style at GenCon like they used to do in the old days. I ask some of his closest and most able gamer friends to be the DMs. I'd make a real big to-do of it .. not some revolving door "I went to Disney World and got this T-shirt" type of thing ...
Can't say I like it. They could do something honoring Gary much better and in better fashion IMO.
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:32 am
by Wheggi
. . . if you have fond memories of AD&D or just want to take a step back in time . . .
Love how this guy assumes that we are all playing the Wizbro version of the game and that we'd just be designing a complex AD&D encounter for the sake of nostalgia. Pfft. I'd love to see one of these current emo designers who'd want to 'take a step back in time' try to make a quality AD&D encounter just off the cuff.
I'm sure this guy is nice and his motives are pure, but boy is he a WotC tool.
-
Wheggi
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:43 am
by Matthew
Wheggi wrote:
Love how this guy assumes that we are all playing the Wizbro version of the game and that we'd just be designing a complex AD&D encounter for the sake of nostalgia. Pfft. I'd love to see one of these current emo designers who'd want to 'take a step back in time' try to make a quality AD&D encounter just off the cuff.
I'm sure this guy is nice and his motives are pure, but boy is he a WotC tool.
To be fair, I think he is addressing the D20 audience rather than those of us who already play AD&D. As far as who this guy is, Keith Baker is the originator of the
Eberron campaign setting, so it would also be fair to say he is indeed a tool of WotC.

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:02 am
by Ghul
Well, if I am going to Gen Con (I'm awaiting to see my publisher's intentions), I would like to take part in this. I see it as an opportunity to create some encounters that might not be exactly as Mr. Baker describes, but rather of a more Gygaxian bent. After working on adventure development for and with Mr. Gygax during the last 2.5 years of his life, and having spent the last 27 years reading and re-reading his works, I feel I'm qualified to provide the interested fans a true taste of some Gygaxian-flavored adventure -- not just some dumbed-down hack-and-slash crap. I would provide mystery, intrigue, tricks, traps, riddles, and other strange happenings, in addition to some deadly monster encounters.
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:07 am
by Wheggi
Shows you how dialed into the current D&D community I am. Guess I should be packed back up into my crate . . .
Yes, it would seem that this is directed towards the current WotC gamer. But if that's the case, how do they expect these guys to make an AD&D adventure? Just assume that they can borrow their Uncle Morty's old books? I guess the ideal person for this task is the old fanboy who tries to keep 'current' with the game but still holds on to all his stuff from the 80's.
(Heh, wouldn't it be cool if WotC put out a limited edition print run of the core 3 AD&D books just to support this event. Would never happen, but still . . .)
- Wheggi
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:37 am
by Matthew
Ghul wrote:
Well, if I am going to Gen Con (I'm awaiting to see my publisher's intentions), I would like to take part in this. I see it as an opportunity to create some encounters that might not be exactly as Mr. Baker describes, but rather of a more Gygaxian bent. After working on adventure development for and with Mr. Gygax during the last 2.5 years of his life, and having spent the last 27 years reading and re-reading his works, I feel I'm qualified to provide the interested fans a true taste of some Gygaxian-flavored adventure -- not just some dumbed-down hack-and-slash crap. I would provide mystery, intrigue, tricks, traps, riddles, and other strange happenings, in addition to some deadly monster encounters.
Sounds like a good idea.
Wheggi wrote:
Shows you how dialed into the current D&D community I am. Guess I should be packed back up into my crate...
Admittedly, I had to go and look him up; the name just sounded familiar.
Wheggi wrote:
Yes, it would seem that this is directed towards the current WotC gamer. But if that's the case, how do they expect these guys to make an AD&D adventure? Just assume that they can borrow their Uncle Morty's old books? I guess the ideal person for this task is the old fanboy who tries to keep 'current' with the game but still holds on to all his stuff from the 80's.
Quite a surprising number of D20 players started with B/AD&D. I am not saying they know the systems very well, but the number is not insignificant. Still, I imagine this is aimed at folks like Merric.
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:16 am
by Algolei
Wheggi wrote:Guess I should be packed back up into my crate . . .
Wait, you're evicting me?? But this is the only crate I could find that was rent controlled!!
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:14 am
by tacojohn4547
Marriat the Ranger wrote:Hmmm ....
I haven't checked the list of hosted games at GenCon but why don't they just run several classic modules in honor of Gary? Such as the ones he wrote?
IMO such an event as the one being organized at GenCon only reinforces the stereotypes of AD&D that the 3etards loudly proclaim on a regular basis- "shallow", "just hack and slash", etc. Look at the strange old outdated animal in the cage, quick toss it a bone and lets move on.
If I were honoring Gary I would run a couple of his best modules tourney style at GenCon like they used to do in the old days. I ask some of his closest and most able gamer friends to be the DMs. I'd make a real big to-do of it .. not some revolving door "I went to Disney World and got this T-shirt" type of thing ...
Can't say I like it. They could do something honoring Gary much better and in better fashion IMO.
QFT - ditto for me.
OTOH, I think Ghul's comments also have a ring of wisdom that resonates for me:
Ghul wrote:<<snip>> I would like to take part in this. I see it as an opportunity to create {and run} some encounters that might not be exactly as Mr. Baker describes, but rather of a more Gygaxian bent <<snip>> -- not just some dumbed-down hack-and-slash crap. I would provide mystery, intrigue, tricks, traps, riddles, and other strange happenings, in addition to some deadly monster encounters.
I may try to put together a few encounters with these goals in mind as well.
tacojohn4547
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:42 am
by geneweigel
I think Gary wouldn't have minded this tribute but he put up with a lot of insidious crap that I have little tolerance for. I have more of an inclination that this tribute is being used to undermine or even cajole "alternate market" groups even if just a little. Just to sell more con passes perhaps.
(Honestly, I had more fun at NY Comic Con 2008 than I did at the last Milwaukee GenCon in 2002 and I didn't play a single "game"!
)
How can you have a flavored game within the "mechanics" of what can be viewed as an "anti-game" unless you introduce some all-engulfing "rule-breaking" premise? Its going to be a "give and take" deal, I'm sure, but isn't "their game" (the various mangled "edition" systems) "give and take" already?
This is why parsimony is used by the fringe in a awkward manner. STOP EVERYTHING AND RIP IT ALL OUT DOWN TO THE CORE!!! Is oft the clarion call for this approach. Like I said before this method sometimes works but it'll eventually cough up blood and die in its totally lack of vital sustenance. However in this case walking into a card game with a "stacked deck" isn't going to work if its going to be used with forty other oppositely inclined "stacked decks", a "card dealer" who doesn't like you and "the house" pinging security to toss you out the "casino door". In other words, they'll be expecting a "Trojan Horse with hidden Greeks". However they can do nothing but yield to an "El Cid" in this case. Perhaps fusing two old adventures together and call it what it is: "a fusion of works by that designer". That way the "Occam's razor" of the original work will float on its own power with less fear that you'll be overlooking and inadvertantly gutting out essential parts.
That said, theres no way that I could possibly go. However when they have the next big "game con" in NY I might think about doing something as a tribute game.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:59 pm
by tacojohn4547
I just received the writing guidelines for the room-as-encounter submissions for the Tower of Gygax tribute event at Gen Con Indy from Keith Baker.
I haven't studied or even read the guidelines yet, so I can't offer comment or opinion on the specifics of what they're asking for in the submissions. However, I did notice that towards the end of the writing guidelines document Keith Baker acknowledges that potential authors may not have access to the AD&D rulebooks and provides a hyperlink to the OSRIC download on this very site! Now how's that for irony?
Here's the blurb from the guidelines:
RESOURCES: If you don't have access to original AD&D books, you may find the following site useful:
http://www.knights-n-knaves.com/osric/
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:52 pm
by grodog
An update from Keith Baker:
Keith Baker wrote:We are still looking for writers and DMs to participate in the Tower of Gygax memorial event. With DMs, we are looking for people to cover late night or early morning shifts throughout the convention, or any time on Sunday. With rooms, the submission deadline for a room is August 1st. If you are interested in contributing a room and believe that you can meet this deadline, please contact me at
onesmallkeith@gmail.com and I'll send you the room design guidelines. Thanks, and I hope to see you at GenCon! - Keith
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:07 am
by Marriat the Ranger
Why can't those asshats simply "ok" the use of AD&D hardbacks? I mean heck they own the friggin' rights? I like to see OSRIC get some advertisement, that's good ... but to say "no" to the original AD&D hardbacks seems a bit like a slap in the face to ol' Gary... after all its in his honor- so use what he created. makes sense to me- but then I'm not a business guy so maybe there's an angle I'm not seeing?.
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:36 am
by T. Foster
Did you misread something? They're not saying people
can't use the AD&D hardbacks, and on the contrary I'm sure 90+% of people participating in this will, they're just saying that if you don't have the AD&D hardbacks but want to participate anyway you can use OSRIC as a substitute for those books -- which is awesome, because that's exactly the point of OSRIC (one of the points, anyway)

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:49 am
by Matthew
Indeed; is this even a WotC sponsored event? I don't think they have much of anything to do with this. It is very cool to see OSRIC being mentioned in this way, though.