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My oldschool rockfu must be weak today. I completely forgot BTO was Canadian. On that I will humbly admit that they and only RUSH
rank higher than April Wine.
I have loaded up my MP3 Player with
Rush 2112, Fly By night, Moving Pictures
BTO Best of, Not Fragile
April Wine Nature of the Beast
Cheap Trick Greatest Hits
Boston Boston, Don't Look Back
38 Special Special Forces
and some
BOC and Nuge just to round it out.
I think I can guarantee dreams filled with mullets and muscle cars tonight. Heh.
rank higher than April Wine.
I have loaded up my MP3 Player with
Rush 2112, Fly By night, Moving Pictures
BTO Best of, Not Fragile
April Wine Nature of the Beast
Cheap Trick Greatest Hits
Boston Boston, Don't Look Back
38 Special Special Forces
and some
BOC and Nuge just to round it out.
I think I can guarantee dreams filled with mullets and muscle cars tonight. Heh.
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[color=yellow]TRAVELLER INFLUENCE[/color]: "No other rpg except D&D has influenced current gaming more than Classic Traveller." [i]- Kellri[/i]
[color=yellow]GROGNARD GEARHEADS[/color]:"Building anything for Traveller is a blast. Just make sure you've got a spreadsheet and a college education. Traveller is built for REAL MEN. There's none of that freeform prose for pussies you'll see in other games." [i]- Kellri[/i]
[color=yellow]THE DUNGEON GESTALT[/color] - D&D is primal fetishism. It makes relics out of old character sheets and totems out of a stack of hardback rulebooks. The dungeon crawl itself is a ritual with no obligation to make sense beyond the circle of participants. In that sense, it's a lot like a cave painting of some ancient hunt. It's a convergence of random events in a controlled setting that forms the basis of a heroic tale in the minds of the participants. Powerful and primitive social magic that can't be reliably explained but only experienced. And IMO, a much more 'real' experience than the forced plot you see in most 'storyteller' games. [i]- Kellri[/i]
[color=yellow]GAMING-Back To The Basics[/color]:"It was a helluva romp in the 70s. The choices were D&D in the white box, Traveller in the black box, or if we wanted something really bizarre, Empire of the Petal Throne in the colourful box! ...You know... it's stunning. Between them, those three games cover so much ground, everything since has been footnotes and elaborations." [i]- pyratejohn[/i]
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[color=yellow]TRAVELLER INFLUENCE[/color]: "No other rpg except D&D has influenced current gaming more than Classic Traveller." [i]- Kellri[/i]
[color=yellow]GROGNARD GEARHEADS[/color]:"Building anything for Traveller is a blast. Just make sure you've got a spreadsheet and a college education. Traveller is built for REAL MEN. There's none of that freeform prose for pussies you'll see in other games." [i]- Kellri[/i]
[color=yellow]THE DUNGEON GESTALT[/color] - D&D is primal fetishism. It makes relics out of old character sheets and totems out of a stack of hardback rulebooks. The dungeon crawl itself is a ritual with no obligation to make sense beyond the circle of participants. In that sense, it's a lot like a cave painting of some ancient hunt. It's a convergence of random events in a controlled setting that forms the basis of a heroic tale in the minds of the participants. Powerful and primitive social magic that can't be reliably explained but only experienced. And IMO, a much more 'real' experience than the forced plot you see in most 'storyteller' games. [i]- Kellri[/i]
[color=yellow]GAMING-Back To The Basics[/color]:"It was a helluva romp in the 70s. The choices were D&D in the white box, Traveller in the black box, or if we wanted something really bizarre, Empire of the Petal Throne in the colourful box! ...You know... it's stunning. Between them, those three games cover so much ground, everything since has been footnotes and elaborations." [i]- pyratejohn[/i]
[url=http://knights-n-knaves.com/][b]Knights & Knaves[/b][/url] OD&D/AD&D/Traveller/Battletech/
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Don't forget BOC either 
I want to hear what you did in the dungeon, not the voting booth. Politics and rules minutia both bore me in my opinion.
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I've decided Roxy Music may well have been the best band of the 70s.
Exhibit 1: Ladytron (stick with this one -- for the first half they're just miming to a tape, but in the second half Eno takes over and WOW!)
Exhibit 2: Do the Strand
EDIT: Exhibit 3: Remake/Remodel (can't believe I missed this one the first time around)
If you only know of this band from late-period shlock like "Love is the Drug" and "Avalon," you owe it to yourself to watch these two (EDIT: three) clips!
Exhibit 1: Ladytron (stick with this one -- for the first half they're just miming to a tape, but in the second half Eno takes over and WOW!)
Exhibit 2: Do the Strand
EDIT: Exhibit 3: Remake/Remodel (can't believe I missed this one the first time around)
If you only know of this band from late-period shlock like "Love is the Drug" and "Avalon," you owe it to yourself to watch these two (EDIT: three) clips!
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Lets not forget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpW13OIcqFo (or were blokes off the table)
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
Thomas Jefferson in letter to Madison
Back in the days when a leopard could grab and break your Australopithecus (gracile or robust) nek and drag you into the tree as a snack, mankind has never had a break"
** Stone Giant
Thomas Jefferson in letter to Madison
Back in the days when a leopard could grab and break your Australopithecus (gracile or robust) nek and drag you into the tree as a snack, mankind has never had a break"
** Stone Giant
Excellent pull Axe! Love Tull, love Broadsword! Check out "Jack in the Green" as well.
- Wheggi
- Wheggi
The Twisting Stair
An old school role-playing game periodical with a focus on adventure design
Stephen Colbert: “What would you do, when coming up with your character you roll six rolls of three six-sided dice to come up with your character”
Joe Magliano: “There’s a new way now where you roll 4d6 and you take away the lowest.”
Stephen Colbert: “Really? That’s for children!”
An old school role-playing game periodical with a focus on adventure design
Stephen Colbert: “What would you do, when coming up with your character you roll six rolls of three six-sided dice to come up with your character”
Joe Magliano: “There’s a new way now where you roll 4d6 and you take away the lowest.”
Stephen Colbert: “Really? That’s for children!”
W, just checked it out. Its the same year as the prev. clip, I bet its the same tour. TRP I actually "almost" went to that concert (it would have been my first). They came to Orlando (an hour away) but we couldn't find someone to drive (we were all too young). So, 25 years later I get to see a few bits and pieces.
Jethro Tull - Jack-In-The-Green and Pussy Willow - 1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJAqGHuaJAY
Hey, check out a young Phil Collins on the drums, and Ian Anderson's grade school music teacher on the synthesizer (or it could be his mum).
BTW, did you see the audiance at the end of the Broadsword video I linked to above, those are some hip senior citizens going to a rock concert.
Jethro Tull - Jack-In-The-Green and Pussy Willow - 1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJAqGHuaJAY
Hey, check out a young Phil Collins on the drums, and Ian Anderson's grade school music teacher on the synthesizer (or it could be his mum).
BTW, did you see the audiance at the end of the Broadsword video I linked to above, those are some hip senior citizens going to a rock concert.
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
Thomas Jefferson in letter to Madison
Back in the days when a leopard could grab and break your Australopithecus (gracile or robust) nek and drag you into the tree as a snack, mankind has never had a break"
** Stone Giant
Thomas Jefferson in letter to Madison
Back in the days when a leopard could grab and break your Australopithecus (gracile or robust) nek and drag you into the tree as a snack, mankind has never had a break"
** Stone Giant
Don't forget that Tull had been around about 15 years by the time BatB was released, and what was to become the main lineup for Tull dated back nearly 20 years to the The Blades. Aqualung was released in '71.AxeMental wrote: BTW, did you see the audiance at the end of the Broadsword video I linked to above, those are some hip senior citizens going to a rock concert.
For some of us 1982 was late Tull.
"The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek." - Joseph Campbell
For me, BatB definitely qualifies as very very late Tull. IMO they peaked with Benefit (1970).
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For me, Tull was amazing all the way through Heavy Horses, though there are sparkling moments scattered afterwards (parts of BatB, a couple of songs on Crest of the Knave). I will say though that I'm not a big fan of Warchild or Too Old to Rock n' Roll, Too Young to Die.
As for old Tull, I'd have to say I like Stand Up best, and for middle era Tull I'd have to chose Songs from the Wood: an all-time classic gamer album!
- Wheggi
As for old Tull, I'd have to say I like Stand Up best, and for middle era Tull I'd have to chose Songs from the Wood: an all-time classic gamer album!
- Wheggi
The Twisting Stair
An old school role-playing game periodical with a focus on adventure design
Stephen Colbert: “What would you do, when coming up with your character you roll six rolls of three six-sided dice to come up with your character”
Joe Magliano: “There’s a new way now where you roll 4d6 and you take away the lowest.”
Stephen Colbert: “Really? That’s for children!”
An old school role-playing game periodical with a focus on adventure design
Stephen Colbert: “What would you do, when coming up with your character you roll six rolls of three six-sided dice to come up with your character”
Joe Magliano: “There’s a new way now where you roll 4d6 and you take away the lowest.”
Stephen Colbert: “Really? That’s for children!”
I love Minstrel in the Gallery and Heavy Horses, but I think most of Warchild and Too Old... and big chunks of (dare I say it) A Passion Play are damn near unlistenable. I've never been much of a fan of Songs from the Wood (perhaps because I got it after Heavy Horses which, IMO, does pretty much the same thing only better -- and I much prefer HH's strings over SftW's synths). All of the "extended 80s" albums (counting both Stormwatch (1979) and Catfish Rising (1991)) have 1 or 2 good songs apiece, but none of them is anywhere near consistent enough for me to actually declare it "a good album" -- Under Wraps probably comes closest for me (ironically, since it's the album most Tull fans hate most). The mid-90s stuff and beyond is all thoroughly rancid (Roots to Branches had maybe 1 listenable song, the album(s?) since didn't even have that). When it's down to brass tacks, though, Jethro Tull for me is and always will be primarily about these albums:
Stand Up
Benefit
Aqualung
Thick as a Brick
Living in the Past
No excuse me while I go slit my wrists with a broken Morrissey LP as penance for admitting to liking Jethro Tull
Stand Up
Benefit
Aqualung
Thick as a Brick
Living in the Past
No excuse me while I go slit my wrists with a broken Morrissey LP as penance for admitting to liking Jethro Tull
The Mystical Trash Heap - blog about D&D and other 80s pop-culture
The Heroic Legendarium - my book of 1E-compatible rules expansions and modifications, now available for sale at DriveThruRPG
The Heroic Legendarium - my book of 1E-compatible rules expansions and modifications, now available for sale at DriveThruRPG
This is great later Tull (I think mid to late 90s) about some hot chick in a bar in Budipest, as a patron of Hooters, you should like this one Wheggie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbZLkNwBkbs
Anyhow, 82' was late Tull, esp. as "rock".
PS be sure to listen to the entire thing, he jams near the end.
EDIT- W "For me, Tull was amazing all the way through Heavy Horses, though there are sparkling moments scattered afterwards (parts of BatB, a couple of songs on Crest of the Knave)."
Missed your post W, looks like your well aquanted with this. Still its kinda cool live.
PS PS "Songs from the Woods" and "North Sea Oil" are two of our groups favorite Christmas D&D albums.
Anyhow, 82' was late Tull, esp. as "rock".
PS be sure to listen to the entire thing, he jams near the end.
EDIT- W "For me, Tull was amazing all the way through Heavy Horses, though there are sparkling moments scattered afterwards (parts of BatB, a couple of songs on Crest of the Knave)."
Missed your post W, looks like your well aquanted with this. Still its kinda cool live.
PS PS "Songs from the Woods" and "North Sea Oil" are two of our groups favorite Christmas D&D albums.
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
Thomas Jefferson in letter to Madison
Back in the days when a leopard could grab and break your Australopithecus (gracile or robust) nek and drag you into the tree as a snack, mankind has never had a break"
** Stone Giant
Thomas Jefferson in letter to Madison
Back in the days when a leopard could grab and break your Australopithecus (gracile or robust) nek and drag you into the tree as a snack, mankind has never had a break"
** Stone Giant