Knights & Knaves Alehouse

PapersAndPaychecks wrote:I really can't see an offset printer being interested in a print run of 500... 5,000 maybe.

I don't know; you'd certainly pay the same setup charge as if it were for 5,000. But I don't know what that would run.

Part of the problem is that the biggest untapped market is among those alienated from the current gaming scene who are... well... alienated, and thus not easily reachable through "mainstream" means such as the larger Internet sites, cons, game shops and so forth.

rogatny wrote:Part of the problem is that the biggest untapped market is among those alienated from the current gaming scene who are... well... alienated, and thus not easily reachable through "mainstream" means such as the larger Internet sites, cons, game shops and so forth.

Agreed, but people who don't even look in the gaming section of a Barnes & Noble are basically inaccessible for all practical intent.

we've got online grognards who visit gamer sites, online grognards who don't, offline grognards who visit game stores, offline grognards who don't visit game stores but glance in the gaming sections of book stores, then the same four categories of former grognards who play 3e now, and then the same four categories of kids who never played the old edition.

The players who are still in high school and middle school aren't divided into those categories; get recognition on the internet, and word spreads by word of mouth.

Anyway, I think it makes sense to be talking about this, but we don't know what's going to happen in the next three months - so far OSRIC has exceeded all my expectations (though I know P&P was hoping for a much faster expansion). Hell, until we finish the OSRIC Companion, we don't really have a complete game except in the eyes of the grognards.

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PapersAndPaychecks wrote:

jgbrowning wrote:If you plan on selling to retailers you'll need to price based upon (for me) a 33% take on the MSRP. I work through a consolidator who warehouses, ships, and markets my products for around 7% of the MSRP which is a good deal for someone of my size. If you plan to try and sell to retailers, you're going to have to price your product at least triple your production costs to simply break-even.

Distributors and retailers will not touch a product that is being sold cheaper elsewhere. Hell, just getting picked up by a consolidator (more the less, a distributor) isn't easy now a-days.

Meh, that's out, then.

Could we market to gaming clubs or societies? Do you have those in America?

Not that I know of.

*ahem*..I am President of the Mt. Pleasant Gaming Association, located in Mt. Pleasant, Michigan and meeting at a comics/game store called Hall of Heroes. We most certainly do have game clubs here in the USA. Many of them are affiliated with colleges and such.

Allen

The RPGA still have some active chapters, although I don't know how extensive their "activities" are since WotC stopped a lot of their support.

I also believe that Jerry, our esteemed host, helps to run the Southeast Kansas Gaming Association. I suspect that's associated with the college in Pittsburgh.

Back in the 80s I was a member of the Evansville Gaming Guild which at its height had, I believe, over 200 members. But of course that was the 80s, a very different world (rpg-wise, at least) from today.

So there are game clubs -- how can we reach them?

PapersAndPaychecks wrote:So there are game clubs -- how can we reach them?

and/or start them?