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JimLotFP wrote:Just confirmed today, interior art will be handled by Diana Davidsson: http://omegasama.deviantart.com/
Good technical artist, she has some nice stuff. It'll be interesting to see how she realizes "old school" art. I can't give a definition of that, but it's like that supreme court justice who stated that he couldn't define porn, but he knew it when he saw it. Same thing for me when it comes to fantasy gaming art of the '70s and early '80s.
This one's pretty good: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/389 ... n%3Ascraps

Most of the "posed" artwork leaves me a little cold; I've never been a big fan of art-deco style. As I said on the Delver's Forums, Darlene isn't my favorite of the TSR artists. However, it seems that Davidsson has got a wider range than just those portrait-shots on her first page.

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TheRedPriest wrote:Good technical artist, she has some nice stuff. It'll be interesting to see how she realizes "old school" art.
I'm torn on this. I don't want Insect Shrine to come across in any way retro (which sounds weird saying it just because of what the project is!). She says she's going to look at all the "classic" artwork from the old TSR days, but I told her that artwork that looks good is more important than satisfying people with oldschool expectations.

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So old school artwork dosen't look good then?

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mistere29 wrote:So old school artwork dosen't look good then?
Some of it looks good, some of it doesn't.

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JimLotFP wrote:
TheRedPriest wrote:Good technical artist, she has some nice stuff. It'll be interesting to see how she realizes "old school" art.
I'm torn on this. I don't want Insect Shrine to come across in any way retro (which sounds weird saying it just because of what the project is!). She says she's going to look at all the "classic" artwork from the old TSR days, but I told her that artwork that looks good is more important than satisfying people with oldschool expectations.

Oops.. as those darn kids say today... "my bad". :oops:

Most of the 1e stuff coming out has been retro in appearance, and I just ASS U MEd Insect was too. Doh!

Good art is always better than bad art. :wink:
Better to produce what you do best, than to crank out something mediocre just attempting to mimic a style. If Davidsson produces illustrations as good as the works on her site, they'll definitely be an asset to the product.

Just in the realm of FYI, I can try to define what, for me, is meant by "old school" type gaming art.

It's not about a particular art style, but more about how the subject characters are portrayed.

Starting with the game itself, AD&D 1e. While the stats for the characters of this version may have been, on average, higher than those in OD&D, typically, they were not superhero stat'ed across the board. The art reflected this. Whereas recent RPG rulebooks are illustrated with impossibly-muscled human-ish characters that would look more at home in a superhero comic book or on WWF, the older publications depicted much more plausibly human subjects. Sure, they sometimes had some snazzy looking armor, but the figures themselves were not unrecognizable as basically human. Occassionally, they were even a bit vulnerable. The art reflected the style of play, much as the art of now reflects the more recent every-character-a-superhero style of play.

Anyway, the art in a gaming product is not what gets me to buy it. It's all about the content. The preview for Insect definitely has me interested.
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I'm definitely up for seeing how people expand the retro-old school style. :D

But I also fear the attempts, since the whole march through Elmore (mostly) to 3e (entirely) was for me an aesthetic bust. I'm not at all the style police, but I would be hoping to see the envelope pushed dtarting with the baseline 1e art and moving from there, not retracing the last pathway of gaming art. It sounds like that's what you're doing, since you're taking a good artist and pointing her at the original style as a starting point.

:D On the other hand, I'm a dyed in the wool old schooler, so likely it won't please me anyway if it diverges at all :D :D

There are some very good reasons why the old art was the way it was; art that holds to those principles even if not to those technical styles will thrill me. And I don't have time to type them at the moment, although I think I've expounded on them here somewhere here. There's probably an old school art thread around here somewhere... :D

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I'm with TRP on this one: the preview has me interested.

We aren't going to get art the same as we did with 1e products. Different artists, different printing technology, it's going to look different. The question for me is whether the art, um, "gets it."

Dungeonpunk dwarfs with green spiked hair or anime/manga elves with eyes bigger than their mouths are a pretty sure sign of an artist who doesn't "get it" and would put me personally off buying the product. But Diana Davidsson doesn't do that. She produces black and white fantasy line art. The men look like men and the women look like women and the whole piece is competently executed.
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Not sure what more to say on this end about the art. I know what I want, I know what directions I'm giving the artist, but everything was just confirmed today with a December 1 deadline for everything so it's potentially 2.5 months before I even see it. Wouldn't do for me to go on and on about what it will be when I could be quite surprised when it's done.

Still, obviously I have confidence in her or I wouldn't have brought her on board. I wouldn't worry about seeing dungeonpunk or ridiculous physiques. I hope she looks at Trampier as the shining example if she's looking through the old hardbacks. :)

I will say one thing though, if I have my way, a couple of the pieces from the goblin tribe are going to resemble Cannibal Holocaust more than classic gaming art.

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Hey, Diana here.

I just wanted to say that I'm grateful for any comments given to me that will help me do this well. I want this to be made as well as possible and that everyone will be happy.

I myself is VERY excited about this, i can barely wait to get started (have some things I need to finish first for another project) but next week I will start sketching on this and we'll see how the end result will turn out.

All from me for now. Have a lovely day.

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Welcome to the site, Diana!
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omegasama wrote:Hey, Diana here.

I just wanted to say that I'm grateful for any comments given to me that will help me do this well. I want this to be made as well as possible and that everyone will be happy.

I myself is VERY excited about this, i can barely wait to get started (have some things I need to finish first for another project) but next week I will start sketching on this and we'll see how the end result will turn out.

All from me for now. Have a lovely day.
Welcome to K&K Alehouse, Diana.

I hope we get to see some sneak peeks later on when you're comfortable. Insect Shrine is a very intriguing project, and I'm looking forward to watching it's progress. I hope JimLotFP keeps us posted!
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I am especially curious to see how both Jim and yourself are going to realize the goblin tribe/Cannibal Holocaust portion. I'm betting that this, more than any other part of this product, has got the best chance of knocking my socks off.
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This picture to me IS D&D. Old School Art should have the genesis of an adventure within its renderings - not lame dungeonpunk characters posing for the camera:

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Is the woman good, evil, or something else? Does this party of adventurers mean weal or woe? Are they looking for something? What kind of questions are being asked. Is the woman about to bust out with some deadly magics?

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I like that one lots and lots!

Another DMG favorite of mine is the succubus on p230... the figure seems fully detailed even though only the outer shape is defined, and the thing that sells the picture is that black sun...

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I likes me them Darlene art pictures a lot too!
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It's been awhile since I've been around here...

Updates:

We're up to 24 pre-orders.

I'm still hoping for a December release, but there is still work to do. 64 pages seemed a much better idea in August. ;)

lotfprpg.com may be down soon. I'm attempting to move the domain name to the same people that actually host the site, but of course there are complications in getting the old people to release it. 11/27 is when my domain currently expires, so if there are problems it will be around that time. It will be temporary. Anybody that has pre-ordered, don't panic if you check up and see that the site is gone.

First piece of artwork has been completed:

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