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Maybe Pad-uh-meh, how Ani said it, was actually the right way, but the pad-me, was the wrong..

garhkal wrote:Maybe Pad-uh-meh, how Ani said it, was actually the right way, but the pad-me, was the wrong..

Maybe. I refuse to watch those ridiculous movies again to see how she pronounced it herself (if she ever did) but I distinctly remember most of the characters saying "Pad-may" and Anakin saying "Pad-uh-may". It reminded me of the TV preachers who turn "Jesus" into a three-syllable word (JAY-ee-sus).

In any event, a director is supposed to catch these things and get everyone on the same page. But those movies didn't have a director; they had George Lucas.

Re Generational Theory:

Maybe a reality check gives the generational reading some legs to walk upon: Audiences outside the US were mostly flabbergasted by the movie: Pulled totally from the cinemas in China, and over 3.5 million less tickets sold in Germany (5.5 vs 9+ Million tickets) in comparison to TFA, just as an example. Japanese audiences are shocked or at least nonplussed (I hear & read).

So, maybe it really was meant as a Gen X-influenced-message, that resonates with people-who-are-like-Rian-Johnson.

Also, recently RJ trolled Star Wars fans with Twitter memes. Curiously, RJ's twitter feed has Bob Dylan as his background image. So rogatny, you might indeed have superiour insight into the man's head.

For me as European, it [boomer hate] just seems very petty. Objectively, no matter how justified it might be for US middle class Gen Xers, it is very parochial and thus not attractive to a truly diverse, global audience.

But maybe it just is a pretty sucky movie, no matter what.

Saw it last night. There were too many characters, and while it was long (loooong), most of the time was spent in unending action. So many character appearances therefore felt like surprise cameo reappearances. I was really hoping for them to get deeper into the mythology of the Jedi, but, we just got the barest bit of window-dressing, punctuated by a very pussified Luke. Totally forgettable. TFA remains the only non-OT movie of value for me.

Falconer wrote:TFA remains the only non-OT movie of value for me.

What aspects of Rogue One do you dislike?

I suppose the dividing line for me is the characters. Do I care about the characters, do I understand the characters, am I rooting for them, do I laugh at them and cry with them, are their hopes and dreams relatable? TFA had some “science” problems, but I walked out of the theater happy. I rewatched it at home a few months back and still liked it.

If you liked TFA, doesn't TLJ pull the rug from under it?
Everything anybody, including the villains, tried to accomplish in TFA was invalidated by TLJ:

- Snoke wanting to get hold of Skywalker: pointless
- Resistance and Rey searching for Luke: pointless
- Rey looking for her parents: pointless
- Han Solo's murder to impress Snoke: pointless
- Destruction of the Galaxy Gun, pointless, the Resistance morphs into the Rebellion and is down to three ships.
- Finn and Rey forming a friendship: not even together on screen for the whole of TLJ, same with Finn & Poe
- Knights of Ren: not even mentioned
and so on, and so on.

I saw this again yesterday, as my wife fell asleep during the first screening and she wanted to see it from start to finish. First time I have ever seen a film twice at the cinema. No change in my verdict, but my wife liked it better.

Settembrini wrote:If you liked TFA, doesn't TLJ pull the rug from under it?

Yeah, but I compartmentalize real well. I can appreciate the work on its own terms. All of that TLJ garbage is clearly not present in TFA as it stands and as its authors intended.

Settembrini wrote:If you liked TFA, doesn't TLJ pull the rug from under it?
Everything anybody, including the villains, tried to accomplish in TFA was invalidated by TLJ:

- Snoke wanting to get hold of Skywalker: pointless
- Resistance and Rey searching for Luke: pointless
- Rey looking for her parents: pointless
- Han Solo's murder to impress Snoke: pointless
- Destruction of the Galaxy Gun, pointless, the Resistance morphs into the Rebellion and is down to three ships.
- Finn and Rey forming a friendship: not even together on screen for the whole of TLJ, same with Finn & Poe
- Knights of Ren: not even mentioned
and so on, and so on.

I have actually seen some reviewers claim that Rian Johnson deliberately set out to destroy everything J.J. Abrams created in the first film.

I don't know whether this is true, but at least some critics have seriously claimed it.

I have heard a lot about how The Last Jedi is making money hand over fist. Looking at IMDB, though, it is interesting to note that it is the first Star Wars episode ever to make less than its predecessor on an opening weekend in the USA:

Episode IV: A New Hope	$1,554,475	30 May 1977	Limited Release
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back	$6,415,804	21 May 1980	Limited Release
Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi	$30,490,619	30 May 1983	Limited Release
Episode I: A Phantom Menace	$64,820,970	23 May 1999	Wide Release
Episode II: Attack of the Clones	$80,027,814	19 May 2002	Wide Release
Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith	$108,435,841	22 May 2005	Wide Release
Episode VII: The Force Awakens	$247,966,675	20 December 2015	Wide Release
Episode VIII: The Last Jedi	$220,009,584	17 December 2017	Wide Release

Of course, it made a lot more than Rogue One and The Force Awakens made a huge amount of money, but still ... interesting.

The Last Jedi has "no legs" in box office parlance: a great opening but very high (highest ever recorded) drop-off after the opening weekend. I won't go into too many details as they are threads of 300+ pages on the box office record of TLJ.

Wall Street Analysts have expected $200 000 000 domestic and another $2 00 000 000 foreign more in ticket sales, so for Disney it is definitely below expectations. And it is shy $800 000 000 compared to TFA.

The very good opening weekend was, as many view it, a hype-present from JJ Abrams installment. Many people waited 2 years to see Luke Skywalker finally return to the big screen. In May we will see how hard the franchise is hit by TLJ, the opening weekend for Solo should be highly influenced by TLJ actual received effect on the audience.

Blackadder23 wrote: In any event, a director is supposed to catch these things and get everyone on the same page. But those movies didn't have a director; they had George Lucas.

I recall hearing of an interview with Lucas where he stated he never corrected actor pronunciations. He claimed it was a big galaxy, and dialects differed everywhere. He let actors say whatever they wanted. I know all the 90s videogames had varied pronunciations. Coruscant was pronounced Koruskant. As long as you said something remotely close to how it was written, Lucas didn't care.

I think 3PO should've "translated" every "mispronunciation" like a passive-aggressive pronunciation nazi.

Just heard that there's going to be more of these Star Wars movies, and now it's the GoT creators helming them.

- Wheggi