RIP Tom Petty :(

[Flambeaux]

Memory eternal!
Requiescat in pace.

One of my favorite Tom Petty memories was when he played the Super Bowl several years ago (2006, maybe?). My maternal grandparents were visiting and we watched the game and the half-time show. My grandfather turned to me and said, "Wow. That is pretty good music. I could actually understand what he was saying. I can see why you like this."

[Jeff]

Sad day. I've always enjoyed chilling to much of his music. RIP Tom.

[rogatny]

66 seems a lot younger than it used to.

[TRP]

66 seems a lot younger than it used to.

Man, you just don't know. 8-O

[Zenopus Archives]

"Well it's all right, if you live the life you please..." - End of the Line, Traveling Wilburies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqhdRs4jyA

[rogatny]

The name for the Wilburies came from Jeff Lynn’s production. Whenever any of the performers messed something up, Lynn would say, “Don’t worry about that, we’ll bury it in the mix.” It happened so often in the informal jam session of a recording that Harrison started referring to the group as “We’ll burys” and the name stuck.

[PapersAndPaychecks]

Yeah, but the family has a DNR on him. It's only a matter of time.

Surely it's the doctors who had the DNR?

[TRP]

Yeah, but the family has a DNR on him. It's only a matter of time.

Surely it's the doctors who had the DNR?

In the US, barring the existence of a living will, the closest family member makes the call. The Dr. informs the family when brain death occurs, and then family make the call. It's a *really* good idea to have living will. This way, both family and Drs know your intentions. It takes the emotional guilt from family and the legal liability from the Drs.

[PapersAndPaychecks]

Oh, that's interesting. In the medical ethics I understand, DNAR is a medical judgment, made by a doctor (usually after consulting someone's next of kin but the doctor doesn't have to do as they say). The guiding principle is the person's best interests.

The person's own wishes can overrule the doctor if they made an advance decision to refuse certain treatment -- the advance decision would need to be in writing, witnessed, made when the person had capacity, and specifically say that it applied to life-sustaining treatment. (I've made one, and I suggest you consider it too. Mine says that if I'm in a hospital and the doctor sees me stop breathing they should resuscitate. If they find me non-breathing after an unknown period, then I don't want them to bother, as even if the CPR is successful, what comes back will probably be a brain damaged thing that has relatively little resemblance to a husband and father.)

But I can see how it's different. In the US you're paying the doctor, so your relationship to him or her is a customer and you call the shots. I presume there must be reasonable safeguards to stop people who stand to inherit, or otherwise gain benefit from a person's death, from signing a DNAR.

[Flambeaux]

I presume there must be reasonable safeguards to stop people who stand to inherit, or otherwise gain benefit from a person's death, from signing a DNAR.

If it's not in the form of a Living Will, which not all jurisdictions recognise as valid, it requires a Medical Power of Attorney prepared before the crisis explicitly granting the a specific individual the right to make that decision.

[TRP]

Medical Power of Attorney

Yeah, that's the trump card I forgot about.

[benjoshua]

My wife's experience with her mom's DNR was a horror story. Her mother had a DNR on file at the nursing home, broke her hip, and was sent to the hospital with the DNR. The ambulance driver gave the DNR to the hospital. The hip surgery was successful, but 24 hours later, my mother-in-law coded. The nurse rushes in because my wife didn't even realize her mom was passing (her heart just stopped). The nurse tells my wife, "You gotta leave." My wife says, "But my mother has a DNR." The nurse quickly leaves, comes back and says, "Sorry, the DNR has not been signed by the doctor." Two chaplains escort my distressed wife out of the room. My mother-in-law is revived, while breaking every rib in her body, bruising her chest all to hell. My mother-in-law slowly dies while under lots of painkillers for the next 36 to 48 hours. We contacted lawyers and none would take the case. Apparently, what the hospital did was completely legal. We now understand the each hospital's policy is different in this regard.