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Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:05 am
by Falconer
bobjester wrote:Y'know....That private message read just like it was from kewlmarine
Are you claiming it was … ghostwritten?

Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:11 am
by PapersAndPaychecks
Kewlmarine's certainly had a lot to say on Tenkar's Tavern about how evil Dragonsfoot is. Mind you, the comments section of the Tavern is like a who's who of people we've banned for bloody good reasons.
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:14 am
by Falconer
Not much to add that others haven’t said. I met Frank at one of the LGGCs, while Gary was still alive. Frank ran AD&D (the only game he ever ran, he said—that seemed kind of humble). Honestly, his game session was nothing to write home about, but, that was okay. In those days it felt like we were Gary’s crew, and it seemed like he was one of the guys. Was it a façade? It was very different from the present Prince—megalomaniacal, boastful, threatening, too good for the old school movement and the communities that birthed it, furious when questioned. I haven’t head of any negative interactions like this from before Gary’s death, but I could be missing something.
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:15 am
by Melan
PapersAndPaychecks wrote:Kewlmarine's certainly had a lot to say on Tenkar's Tavern about how evil Dragonsfoot is. Mind you, the comments section of the Tavern is like a who's who of people we've banned for bloody good reasons.
He is still active? Which account is he posting under?
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:17 am
by PapersAndPaychecks
Melan wrote:He is still active? Which account is he posting under?
He's not active on DF. Or here.

Real name is William Z. Cohen.
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:08 am
by Melan
PapersAndPaychecks wrote:Melan wrote:He is still active? Which account is he posting under?
He's not active on DF. Or here.

Real name is William Z. Cohen.
Thanks. Looking at his comments at Tenkar's, I should have recognised him by his posting style. Definitely the same fellow!

Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:22 am
by Cloak n' Dagger
So apparently this is was posted on Tenkar's Tavern after the PM image started circulating:
Link to post here:
http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/th ... anned.html
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:26 am
by TRP
Desperation has an ugly smell.
Maybe his dog hacked his account. The same dog that ate his homework when he was a kid.

Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:27 am
by Jeff
I suppose, at 40 years of age, I shouldn't be surprised or shocked by what I've read today, but I am. I guess it's because I've met Frank. He was super nice to me.
I knew there was bad blood between Frank and EOTB, but this is . . . disheartening.
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:58 am
by Blackadder23
TRP wrote:
Desperation has an ugly smell.
Maybe his dog hacked his account. The same dog that ate his homework when he was a kid.

That reminds me of the guy who was caught downloading CP and (in all seriousness) claimed it must have happened accidentally when his cat walked on his keyboard.

Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:05 am
by Falconer
The really baffling thing to me is that people are still claiming that EOTB is a troll and DF is a cesspool. I’ve seen trollings and cesspools; this is
nothing—
If anyone has the “conversation … in 50 pt font” that EOTB was talking about (I presume that was from before Frank edited his message), could you post it or PM it to me?
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:15 am
by Falconer
Okay, apparently this was in the original September 8 post:
ExTSR wrote:EoTB, for the Last Time:
You have had a negative slant, implication, or statement about everything I have posted for 2 years. Go away.
imnsho you are a primary reason why Dragonsfoot is a comparative backwater in tabletop gaming. Go away.
You are one of the reasons why Major Authors & Artists won't set foot in here. Go Away.
You are definitely one of the reasons why Dragonsfoot is not on the PR list for Empyrea coverage. Go away.
You are a primary reason why I'm not a regular here. Go away.
and you are a troll. You are on my Ignore list. Go away.
The Empyrea team will ignore all YOUR questions and respond to all intelligent ones instead.
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:19 am
by tacojohn4547
Heh...the original PM reads like a couple of one-sided, industry insider, conversations I've had over the years. One was with Bill Webb, and the others were with Rob Kuntz. In none of the cases, though, was the venom directed at me personally.
But suffice It to say that Frank doesn't have a monopoly on venom or harsh language!
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:27 am
by Juju EyeBall
Heh. I seriously doubt he was hacked.
Maybe he accidentally wrote his password down and threw it in the trash and somebody pulled it out of the dumpster.
Re: Mentzer/Bote incident at DF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:29 am
by Wheggi
Fucking Dork! I was drinking coffee when I read that! Now I've gotta clean all this up.
- Wheggi