Knights & Knaves Alehouse

Geoffrey wrote:Littlefinger had better get killed in the next episode.

The Night King had a pretty easy time killing that dragon, and now he has an undead dragon. I'm starting to wonder how in season 8 men with two dragons are going to defeat an undead army with an undead dragon.

It is more telling that he can kill a dragon with a single ice-spear.

This season has been pretty bad but after this episode (6) I think I'm done with it for awhile.

It's a little known fact that the Lord of Light is playing both sides. His Foundry of Doom, manned by thrice-resurrected giants under Mount Arrowhead [they don't just produce bottled water there], is churning out prodigious lengths of giant chain for the Night King's personal use.

Either that, or the Night King was able to gate back and forth to 15th century Constantinople and swipe the chains that secured the Golden Horn.


Well, the losses of Benjen and a single dragon were predictable, as will be Arya's arrival at the meeting in King's Landing in the company of Brienne. At least we got to see a cool polar bear monster zombie, and the stirrings of an undead dragon. I was a bit surprised that Jon didn't get a little caught in dragonfire, to prompt Dany's wonderment.

There was a promo image with danaearys on one side with a fire breathing dragon, and Cersai on the other with a blue ice dragon, so I saw that one coming.

Now I wonder if Cersai will become a wight. Or maybe The Mountain will capture the Night King and hold him at dragonglass point and be made to do Cersai's bidding.

The whole "zombies pulling the dragon out of the lake with chains" was terrible writing. It was a fix for a problem that didn't need to exist. Just should've had it crash on the shore, or even had its head on the island. So easy.

Wheggi wrote:The whole "zombies pulling the dragon out of the lake with chains" was terrible writing. It was a fix for a problem that didn't need to exist. Just should've had it crash on the shore, or even had its head on the island. So easy.

Yup.

We've entered the bad fanfic portion of the series, to be sure.

Also, anyone else refer to the Night King as Blue Darth Maul?

Chainsaw wrote:

Landifarne wrote:Well, at least the draco-zombie wish came true. Good call there.

Thank God the Night King had several hundred yards of super-fucking-maximum-strength ginormous chains handy, eh? Always be prepared!

Just like my players.

Player: "Yeah, Rob. Don't you recall I had those massive chains forged when we were going to take down that red dragon rider, and sell that fucking dragon?"

Me: "Dude, that was back in what? 2012? Right after y'all screwed the pooch trying to put down Drelzna?"

Player: "Yeah, and it's still written on my character sheet."

Me:

Let’s give the writers the benefit of the doubt, for a minute. Maybe Jon has just undergone an Ironborn baptism. “What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.” Maybe he did die again in this episode, and maybe it’s his third death (maybe he also died at the Bastardbowl). Was it salt water? I mean probably not but if it were I’d like to know.

Here’s another thing. So Viserion is now an Ice Dragon. Jon completely out of the blue called Dany “Dany,” and she reminded the audience that it was Viserys who last called her that (really?). That was so weird. Maybe Viserion warged into Jon. J/K. Even so, I guarantee you Jon, Ice & Fire (Stark & Targaryen) will be riding Viserion in the future, one way or another. The dragon may yet have three heads.

francisca wrote:There was a promo image with danaearys on one side with a fire breathing dragon, and Cersai on the other with a blue ice dragon, so I saw that one coming.

Now I wonder if Cersai will become a wight. Or maybe The Mountain will capture the Night King and hold him at dragonglass point and be made to do Cersai's bidding.

You just hit it on the head...

Cersei is going to become the Night Queen, flipping off all of Westeros and attempting to bring it down. She doesn't care about anyone or anything anymore and will willingly join the Night King as his consort.

I can't believe I didn't see that one coming. The promo image makes sense now.

Wheggi wrote:The whole "zombies pulling the dragon out of the lake with chains" was terrible writing. It was a fix for a problem that didn't need to exist. Just should've had it crash on the shore, or even had its head on the island. So easy.

Yeah, that would've been better. I suspect they had it go under to remove it from view (and from the audience's immediate attention) so that everyone wouldn't immediately start thinking "hey, he could zombify that dead dragon," and ruin their "surprise" at the end of the show. I think that was a bad call (i.e., thinking we're morons), but I could imagine a thought process that would move them along those lines.

Or, how about a dozen hawsers to drag it up? There was no need for chains.

I suspect that we'll see the chains in the next episode, used in some manner to tear down the wall.

It was poor fare, for sure. By no means terrible, but this season is really suffering for lack of source material and doing a disservice to what game before. Jon's continued stupidity and miraculous survival is really starting to become noticeable and irksome.

Two explanations I've seen for the chains were that they were either ship chains from Hardhome or chains used in the original construction of the wall (and, I guess, stored somewhere on that side). I'm not saying that I necessarily buy either explanation, but those are possibilities people have raised.

Blackadder23 wrote:Two explanations I've seen for the chains were that they were either ship chains from Hardhome or chains used in the original construction of the wall (and, I guess, stored somewhere on that side). I'm not saying that I necessarily buy either explanation, but those are possibilities people have raised.

Sounds like desperate fanboi scrambling to me...

this is the image I was referring to, but I'm not so sure now it is an official image, but I swear it came in a promo email from HBO Now.

Chainsaw wrote:

Blackadder23 wrote:Two explanations I've seen for the chains were that they were either ship chains from Hardhome or chains used in the original construction of the wall (and, I guess, stored somewhere on that side). I'm not saying that I necessarily buy either explanation, but those are possibilities people have raised.

Sounds like desperate fanboi scrambling to me...

Maybe.

Based just on the segment they do at the end of the episodes, I've had a low-ish opinion of the intelligence of the showrunners (especially the one - Weiss? - who consistently mispronounces the names of several characters) for years. So I may not be as outraged by this season as some. *shrug*